In this ‘in conversation’ with, I talk to Dr Susannah Bowyer, Deputy Director at Research in Practice, about the recent research paper published by Research in Practice and the National Children’s Bureau (commissioned by DfE) entitled (snappily) Improving the outcomes of looked-after children and young people in complex situations with multiple needs, at risk or subject to a Deprivation of Liberty. Spoiler alert, we do not spend a great deal of time on the technicalities of deprivation of liberty, but instead think about the ‘upstream’ issues (we do, though, flag chapter 5 of the paper – the case-law briefing) written by Camilla Parker KC (Hon)).