This “in conversation with” is, in part, shameless self-promotion, to mark the publication of the second edition of Law and Ethics in Intensive Care (Oxford University Press, £39.99), which I co-edited with Chris Danbury, Chris Newdick and Carl Waldmann. It is also, however, hopefully also a useful discussion between two lawyers (Chris Newdick and I) and two intensivists (Chris Danbury and Carl Waldmann) about how the law and medicine work together in ICU, and what ramifications this might have for the interaction in other areas. (And we also get to see how the NHS does, indeed, run on tea).